tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1513199068907090344.post4142968076267384228..comments2024-03-26T16:24:34.218+00:00Comments on Meeting The Masters: The Spiritual Corruption of the EliteWilliam Wildbloodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13231219533755925897noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1513199068907090344.post-85716589634398110342016-07-07T18:14:59.761+00:002016-07-07T18:14:59.761+00:00I'm not against polarisation per se but it dep...I'm not against polarisation per se but it depends what the two opposing sides are. If they're both material/ worldly that's no good and that's rather what I meant. Is there any spiritual difference between Boris Johnson(though who knows what he wanted), Michael Gove, Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbyn (who clearly favoured leave) and the Remain people? <br /><br />But a genuine sorting out of the sheep from the goats is absolutely what we need. Maybe this is the start of that. So I hope you're right and this does develop into something positive. We'll see but personally I think it will take a lot more than a resurgence of national feeling. Revolutions are usually hijacked without a very strong spiritual force or personality to prevent that.William Wildbloodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13231219533755925897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1513199068907090344.post-17111073179955505822016-07-07T15:51:59.450+00:002016-07-07T15:51:59.450+00:00@William - Broad agreement - although I feel that ...@William - Broad agreement - although I feel that I perceive a positive impulse behind the Leave vote (and the majority for Leave in *England* was substantial - much larger than most 'landslide' general elections and representative of further support which did not vote). <br /><br />I'm not sure about this section: " If the awakened spirit of patriotic self-belief can be harnessed without falling into separatism or nationalism (and, despite liberal prejudices, the two are completely different things) there is a chance that some kind of renewal can take place. There will be formidable forces ranged against it, some to block, some to pervert, and there is no obvious channel through which it might manifest. Moreover it could only work if the motivations animating it were positive and not merely against someone or something. "<br /><br />My reading of the situation is that it is the very fact that there was a surprise majority vote for Brexit despite the formidable forces ranged against it, which suggests that there is in England an inner reality which has become very dissociated from the explicit and detectable realm of public discourse. <br /><br />This, of course, also means as you say that 'there is no obvious channel' by which this inner reality could lead to political change. I would make two observations. 1. There is no obvious channel, but there may be a non-obvious 'spiritual' channel; and 2. It doesn't matter much whether the politics changes IF there is a change of heart among at least a reasonable number of people, above and beyond what would have been the case if such individuals had stayed ignorant of the fact that the materialist and subversive leadership class really is a minority imposing an alien agenda.<br /><br />So, I am far more optimistic than I was a fortnight ago! In the end, everything important will depend on the choices made by individuals. <br /><br />The situation is not symmetrical (politics never is). A vote *for* Leave certainly does not necessarily mean that the individual has voted For Spiritual Renewal (for example the egregious Socialist Workers Party campaigned for Leave). <br /><br />On the other hand, a vote for Remain *was* necessarily a vote to continue on the same socio-political path (which is materialist, secular, Leftist, includes advocacy of moral inversion etc). <br /><br />So, in that sense, the Leave vote - if interpreted as being *against* 'more of the same' - must be good news (compared with the other result).<br /><br />A final point. You say: "whatever the result had been, the outcome was always likely to be further division, more polarisation and nothing good." From where we are now, surely polarisation is necessary - and therefore a good thing. Since The Establishment will not voluntarily stop pursuing their anti-Chrostian, anti-spiritual agenda, then the only way it *might* be stopped entails polarisation and division en route. <br /><br />In that sense P & D are, if not exactly 'good' then at least preferable to the alternative - which is a kind of national unity of damnation!Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.com